r.schwebel at pengutronix.de
Fri Sep 3 08:20:51 BST 2010
On Thu, Sep 02, 2010 at 10:21:24PM +0100, Wookey wrote:
> I've been trying to tell embedded engineers not to build a new
> toolchain for every single project for some years now, but I've met a
> fair amount of resistance to the idea.
Wearing my embedded linux developer hat, I really like your idea. We use
Debian all over the place, and if it contains solid cross toolchains for
the ARM/PowerPC/SH/Blackfin/x86 targets we are working with I'm really
happy with the idea that we wouldn't have to work on toolchains any
more. It is a pain every time you have to do it, it sucks up a lot of
time and the result is almost never something which can impress your
However, we (mainly the group at Pengutronix that develops ptxdist)
still work on OSELAS.Toolchain simply because the customers we work with
do not all use Debian or Ubuntu but also SuSE and RedHat/Fedora. So in
order to provide stable and reproducable board support packages, having
toolchains that are independend of the distribution are quite important.
The toolchains built from OSELAS.Toolchain install into the
hierarchy and are independend of the rest of the system. On the other
hand, the toolchain is an "external" component for ptxdist, so if Debian
and Ubuntu continue their world domination efforts, it may simply happen
that over the time the other distros become less important and we can
tell the customers to either use Debian/Ubuntu or be on their own.
I would like to test what the Debian guys have available. Can you point
me to the right entry point? There seem to be too much Debian cross
efforts out there and it is dificult for people from the outside to find
the right things. All I find in my apt-cache is this:
thebe:~# apt-cache policy gcc-4.3-arm-linux-gnu
500 http://www.emdebian.org lenny/main Packages
a) not in debian (not even in unstable)
b) gcc-4.3.2 + binutils-2.18.1 + glibc-2.7.
The gcc upstream development (this is where you have to push your
patches into and where it makes sense to do development on toolchains)
is gcc-4.6, and for production systems I'd like to have gcc-4.5.1,
binutils-2.20.1 and glibc-2.12.1. So I assume I have not the right
paths in my sources.list?
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