- linaro-toolchain - lists.linaro.org

by Michael Hope

Hi there. I've had a few questions recently about how to build a cross compiler, so I took a stab at writing the steps down in a Makefile. See: https://code.launchpad.net/~michaelh1/+junk/cross-build Hopefully it's easy to follow. It uses a binary sysroot and gives you vanilla binutils 2.20 and Linaro GCC 2010.11 in a good enough way that you can cross-compile for Maverick. The script is minimal and trades readability for flexibility. Note that Marcin's cross compiler packages or the Embedian toolchains are a better way to go, but if you want to see the steps involved check out the script. Marcin or Matthias, would you mind reviewing it? -- Michael

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[ACTIVITY] November 21-25

by Ira Rosen

Hi, - the struggle with the board took a lot of time - continued to investigate special loads/stores - looked for benchmarks: EEMBC Consumer filters rgbcmy and rgbyiq should be vectorizable once vld3, vst3/4 are supported EEMBC Telecom viterbi is supposed to give 4x on NEON once vectorized (according to http://www.jp.arm.com/event/pdf/forum2007/t1-5.pdf slide 29). My old version of viterbi is not vectorizable because of if-conversion problems. I'd be really happy to check the new version (it is supposed to be slightly different). Looking into other EEMBC benchmarks. FFMPEG http://www.ffmpeg.org/ (got this from Rony Nandy from User Platforms). It contains hand-vectorized code for NEON. Investigating. I am probably taking a day off on Sunday. Ira

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microoptimising atomic memory ops

by Peter Maydell

This wiki page came up during the toolchain call: https://wiki.linaro.org/Internal/People/KenWerner/AtomicMemoryOperations/ It gives the code generated for __sync_val_compare_and_swap as including a push {r4} / pop {r4} pair because it uses too many temporaries to fit them all in callee-saves registers. I think you can tweak it a bit to get rid of that: # int __sync_val_compare_and_swap (int *mem, int old, int new); # if the current value of *mem is old, then write new into *mem # r0: mem, r1 old, r2 new mov r3, r0 # move r0 into r3 dmb sy # full memory barrier .LSYT7: ldrex r0, [r3] # load (exclusive) from memory pointed to by r3 into r0 cmp r0, r1 # compare contents of r0 (mem) with r1 (old) -> updates the condition flag bne .LSYB7 # branch to LSYB7 if mem != old # This strex trashes the r0 we just loaded, but since we didn't take # the branch we know that r0 == r1 strex r0, r2, [r3] # store r2 (new) into memory pointed to by r3 (mem) # r0 contains 0 if the store was successful, otherwise 1 teq r0, #0 # compares contents of r0 with zero -> updates the condition flag bne .LSYT7 # branch to LSYT7 if r0 != 0 (if the store wasn't successful) # Move the value that was in memory into the right register to return it mov r0, r1 dmb sy # full memory barrier .LSYB7: bx lr # return I think you can do a similar trick with __sync_fetch_and_add (although you have to use a subtract to regenerate r0 from r1 and r2). On the other hand I just looked at the gcc code that does this and it's not simply dumping canned sequences out to the assembler, so maybe it's not worth the effort just to drop a stack push/pop. -- PMM

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[ACTIVITY] November 22nd-28th

by Julian Brown

== Linaro GCC == * Finished testing patch for lp675347 (QT inline-asm atomics), and send upstream for comments (no response yet). Suggested reverting a patch (which enabled -fstrict-volatile-bitfields by default on ARM) locally for Ubuntu in the bug log. * Continued working on NEON quad-word vectors/big-endian patch. This turned out to be slightly fiddlier than I expected: I think I now have semantics which make sense, though my patch requires (a) slight middle-end changes, and (b) workarounds for unexpected combiner behaviour re: subregs & sign/zero-extend ops. I will send a new version of the patch to linaro-toolchain fairly soon for comments.

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A question about thumb2 cbnz/cbz implementation in thumb2.md

by Revital1 Eres

Hello, I have a question about cbnz/cbz thumb-2 instruction implementation in thumb2.md file: I have an example where we jump to a label which appears before the branch; for example: L4 ... cmp r3, 0 bne .L4 It seems that cbnz instruction should be applied in this loop; replacing cmp+bne; however, cbnz fails to be applied as diff = ADDRESS (L4) - ADDRESS (bne .L4) is negative and according to thumb2_cbz in thumb2.md it should be 2<=diff<=128 (please see snippet below taken from thumb2_cbz). So I want to double check if the current implementation of thumb2_cbnz in thumb2.md needs to be changed to enable it. The following is from thumb2_cbnz in thumb2.md: [(set (attr "length") (if_then_else (and (ge (minus (match_dup 1) (pc)) (const_int 2)) (le (minus (match_dup 1) (pc)) (const_int 128)) (eq (symbol_ref ("which_alternative")) (const_int 0))) (const_int 2) (const_int 8)))] Thanks, Revital

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[ACTIVITY] Weekly status

by Richard Sandiford

== This week == * More ARM testing of binutils support for STT_GNU_IFUNC. * Implemented the GLIBC support for STT_GNU_IFUNC. Simple ARM testcases seem to run correctly. * Ran the GLIBC testsuite -- which includes some ifunc coverage -- but haven't analysed the results yet. * Started looking at Thumb for STT_GNU_IFUNC. The problem is that BFD internally represents Thumb symbols with an even value and a special st_type (STT_ARM_TFUNC); this is also the old, pre-EABI external representation. We need something different for STT_GNU_IFUNC. * Tried making BFD represent Thumb symbols as odd-value functions internally. I got it to "work", but I wasn't really happy with the results. * Looked at alternatives, and in the end decided that it would be better to have extra internal-only information in Elf_Internal_Sym. This "works" too, and seems cleaner to me. Sent an RFC upstream: http://sourceware.org/ml/binutils/2010-11/msg00475.html * Started writing some Thumb tests for STT_GNU_IFUNC. * Investigated #618684. Turned out to be something that Bernd had already fixed upstream. Tested a backport. == Next week == * More IFUNC tests (ARM and Thumb, EGLIBC and binutils). Richard

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[ACTIVITY] Nov.22 -- Nov.28

by Chung-Lin Tang

== Linaro and upstream GCC == * LP #674146, dpkg segfaults during debootstrap on natty armel: analyzed and found this should be a case of PR44768, backported mainline revision 161947 to fix this. * LP #641379, bitfields poorly optimized. Discussed some with Andrew Stubbs. * GCC bugzilla PR45416: Code generation regression on ARM. Been looking at this regression, that started from the expand from SSA changes since 4.5-experimental. The problem seems to be TER not properly being substituted during expand (compared to prior "convert to GENERIC then expand"). I now have a patch for this, which fixes the PR's testcase, but when testing current upstream trunk, hit an assert fail ICE on several testcases in the alias-oracle; it does however, test without regressions on a 4.5 based compiler. I am still looking at the upstream failures. == This week == * Continue with GCC issues and PRs. * Think about GCC performance opportunities (Linaro)

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[ACTIVITY] Nov. 22 -- Nov. 28

by Zach Welch

== Last Week == * Started writing libunwind support for ARM-specific unwinding, but realized that the native ARM toolchain may be causing problems. Spent time trying to isolate the issues, but haven't found the culprit yet. * Began to consider the possibility of developing an ARM-specific unwinding library which would integrate into libunwind (and be reusable elsewhere). Basically, the ARM.ex{idx,tbl} sections are unique to ARM. * Looked at other applications where unwinding functionality already exists to see how ARM unwinding is done (e.g. GDB). Could/should that functionality be replaced with calls to libunwind (or to the aforementioned ARM-specific helper library)? == This Week == * Continue to implement ARM-specific unwinding in libunwind. -- Zach Welch CodeSourcery zwelch(a)codesourcery.com (650) 331-3385 x743

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[ACTIVITY] 22nd -- 28th Nov.

by Yao Qi

== Linaro GCC == * LP:634738: Firstly, fix this in combiner. Try the other approach (without changes to arm.md) suggested by Andrew S, to fix arm_gen_constant in some cases to generate lsl/lsr ranther loading constant. Some piece of code in arm.c was written in 1998, hard to understand with few comments. During this, find some lsl/lsr can be replaced by ubfx. Use gen_extzv_t2 when arm_arch_thumb2 is true to transform lsl + lsr to ubfx. Two patches are ready. * LP:633243: Got build failures on FSF trunk for arm-none-linux-gnueabi. Test patch on FSF trunk 2010-10-21. No regression. * LP:638935: predicate "vfp_register_operand" should return true for VFP_D0_D7_REGS registers. Fixed. predicates {store,load}_multiple_operation assumes mode is SImode, and size of data is 4. Fix them to accept multiple VFP operations. Write three new test cases for stm/fldm/fstm pattern. Test patch on FSF trunk 2010-10-21. No regression. * SMS on thumb2. Discussed with Revital Eres back and forth on doloop pattern for thumb2. doloop pattern is not recognized so far on thumb2. Revital has a fix to thumb2_cbz pattern. After this fix, doloop pattern should be recognized. * Ping ARM fix PR45701 in gcc-patches for the fifth time. Still no reply. == This Week == * Look at regressions of ldm/stm backport on Linaro GCC 4.5. * Internal review of patch to LP:638935 * Try SMS on thumb2 for EEMBC, if Revital's thumb2_cbz pattern fix is accepted by upstreams. -- Yao (齐尧)

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New data centre host

by Michael Hope

Hi there. Our Versatile Express has been installed in the data centre and is available for use. See: https://wiki.linaro.org/WorkingGroups/ToolChain/Hardware for the details. If you're a member of the Toolchain WG then you should already have an account. Dave is currently using this machine for benchmarking. Until we get more hardware, please use IRC or email to manage access. -- Michael

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[ACTIVITY] 22nd - 28th November

by Andrew Stubbs

Reviewed Yao's patch for AND optimization. Some back on forth on the best way to tackle this problem. LP:663939 - thumb2 constant loading - backported my patches to GCC 4.5 - awaiting review LP:595479 - .eh_frame broken. - Discovered this problem had been fixed (with Thomas' patch) since August, and has also been fixed upstream, albeit with an alternative patch. Nothing to do here. LP:641379 - bitfields poorly optimized. - analysed the problem. The code in cse.c that is supposed to fix this does not recognise the case. - created a patch and tested it for both GCC 4.6 and 4.5. - awaiting review LP:674146 - dpkg segfault. - started looking at this, but Chung-Lin took it first. While trying to reproduce lp:674146, I discovered that my IGEPv2 had a corrupted rootfs, again. I only fixed it last week, so I looked into it more deeply. It seems the SD card has developed at least one bad block. Reformatted, scanned and reinstalled the files from backup. I think the problem was caused by the daily apt package download (it was always those files that were corrupt), so I've disabled that. I've also disabled access-time-stamps. If it happens again I will have to consider using a different underlying filesystem format. LP:643479 / CS Issue:8610 - Multiply and accumulate optimization - created patches for both issues. - both were machine description subtleties. - backported the patches to 4.5 - the patches apply and work fine, but ... - found an extra problem with redundant moves - awaiting review GCC 4.6 - Created a new Launchpad series and branch to track GCC 4.6 development. - Set up the CS internal build config. - Tried to build the latest checkout and failed - glibc problem still unfixed - Jie has reported it now. - libquadmath build fails Merged FSF GCC trunk (pre-4.5.2) into Linaro GCC 4.5 tree. Merged the outstanding Launchpad merge requests into GCC 4.5. The testing showed regressions, so I backed out most of the merges and did them in smaller batches. Chung-Lin and Richard's patches passed the testing, so that leaves Yao's as the problem patch. I didn't get time to test this assertion this week. ---------------------------------- Next week: Vacation.

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Re: GCC Optimization Brain Storming Session

by Steven Bosscher

Andrew Stubbs wrote: > * Instruction set coverage. > - Are there any ARM/Thumb2 instructions that we are not taking > advantage of? [2] > - Do we test that we use the instructions we do have? [3] There is no general frame work to test instruction set coverage. The only way to find out, really, is to create some test cases where you expect the compiler to produce a certain insn. Is there a list of all ARM/Thumb2 instructions and the ones implemented in the GCC ARM machine descriptions? > * Constant pools > - it might be a very handy space optimization to have small > functions share one constant pool, but the way the passes work one > function at a time makes this hard. (LP:625233) There are also passes working on the entire program, or a partition. Isn't it more a question of how to group and process functions that are candidates for sharing a constant pool with a neighbor? Are there algorithms for this kind of pool sharing in the academic or ARM-specific literature? Other suggestions for the discussion: * Better use of conditional execution. - No idea how much this really helps for ARM, but there are bug reports about missed opportunities from time to time, so... - How to model conditional execution before register allocation? - How exploit opportunities better in GCC (ifcvt is inadequate and too late in the pipeline). - Also look at LLVM here, it appears to have a better cost model for if-conversion than GCC (taking into account a target-dependent branch misprediction penalty, for example). * Basic block re-ordering for speed/size. - The existing basic block reordering pass in GCC implements only a reordering strategy for speed. - The pass does not run at all for functions optimized for size. * Comparing ARM cost models and param settings to x86_64 - Compare, for some set of functions/benchmarks, the results of estimate_num_insns, estimate_operator_cost, and estimate_move_cost, between ARM and x86_64. Rationalize or fix any significant differences. See whether heuristics based on these functions require tuning for ARM. - Go through params.def and see if there are further ARM tuning opportunities. There are more than 100 DEFPARAMs and many of them guide heuristics but have only been tuned on x86_64. (There is set_default_param_value, but most backends do not change the defaults.) Hoping this is helpful, Ciao! Steven

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Silverbell dchroots

by Christian Robottom Reis

David G. requested a few packages installed on silverbell today (the quad-A9 VE porter machine we host in the datacenter). We got dchroots instead: ----- Forwarded message from LaMont Jones via RT <rt(a)admin.canonical.com> ----- Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 21:02:22 +0000 Subject: [rt.admin.canonical.com #42662] Simple package installs on silverbell On Fri Nov 26 17:08:28 2010, kiko(a)canonical.com wrote: > Hi there, > > Could we get installed on silverbell: > > build-essential > debhelper > fakeroot > > And could we get deb-src's added to sources.list and do an apt-get > update to allow us to apt-get source certain packages? This is for > simple compilation benchmarks. Thanks! Dchroot environments have been created on silverbell for both maverick and natty. Within the chroot, you can sudo apt-get install to install packages. apt-get update/dist-upgrade and installs that cause package removal will require a GSA to do them. To build for maverick: dchroot -c maverick (and then build however you want...) lamont ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Christian Robottom Reis | [+55] 16 9112 6430 | http://launchpad.net/~kiko Linaro Engineering VP | [ +1] 612 216 4935 | http://async.com.br/~kiko

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[ACTIVITY] weekly status

by Ken Werner

Hi, * the ARM __sync_* glibc-ports patch was accepted upstream * posted proposal for consolidating sync primitives but stdatomic seems to be the future * used my small gcc testsuite patch to verify __sync_* support of the gcc- linaro * created: https://wiki.linaro.org/WorkingGroups/ToolChain/AtomicMemoryOperations * looked into GOMP support on ARM: - #pragma omp atomic results in proper asm code (dmb, ldrex, strex, dmb) - #pragma omp flush results in a DMB instruction - #pragma omp barrier results to a call to GOMP_barrier (I'm not sure if this is the desired behavior) * started to look into #681138 Regards Ken

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[ACTIVITY] 2010-11-26

by David Gilbert

Hand crafted a simple strchr and comparing it with Libc: https://wiki.linaro.org/WorkingGroups/ToolChain/Benchmarks/InitialStrchr It's interesting it's significantly faster than libc's on A9's, but on A8's it's slower for large sizes. I've not really looked why yet; my implementation is just the absolute simplest thumb-2 version. Did some ltrace profiling to see what typical strchr and strlen sizes were, and got a bit surprised at some of the typical behaviours (Lots of cases where strchr is being used in loops to see if another string contains anyone of a set of characters, a few cases of strchr being called with Null strings, and the corner case in the spec that allows you to call strchr with \0 as the character to search for). Trying some other benchmarks (pybench spends very little time in libc,package builds of simple packages seem to have a more interesting mix of libc use). Sorting out some of the red tape for contributing. Dave

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Notes on mixing D16/D32 code

by Michael Hope

It's a bit of a newbie question, but I've been wondering if you can intermix hard float VFPv3-D16 code with VFPv3-D32 code. You can as: According to the ABI: * d0-d15 are used for floating point parameters, no matter if you are D16 or D32 * d0-d15 are not preserved across function calls * d16-d31 must be preserved across function calls The scenarios are: A D32 function calls a D16 function: * The first 16 (!) parameters are passed in D0-D15 * Any remaining are passed on the stack * The D16 function doesn't know about D16-D31, doesn't use them, and hence preserves them A D16 function calls a D32 function: * The first 16 parameters are passed in D0-D15 * Any remaining are passed on the stack * The D32 function preserves any of the D16-D31 registers that it uses. Redundant, but fine. A D32 function (A) calls a D16 function (B) which calls a D32 function (C): * Parameters are OK, as above * B doesn't use D16-D31 and hence preserves them * C preserves any of the D16-D31 that it uses, which preserves them from A's point of view -- Michael

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[ACTIVITY] report week 47

by Peter Maydell

(short week: only three days) RAG: Red: Amber: Green: qemu: initial pull req sent; vfp-in-sighandlers patchset sent Milestones: | Planned | Estimate | Actual | finish virtio-system | 2010-08-27 | postponed | | get valgrind into linaro PPA | 2010-09-15 | 2010-09-28 | 2010-09-28 | complete a qemu-maemo update | 2010-09-24 | 2010-09-22 | 2010-09-22 | finish testing PCI patches | 2010-10-01 | 2010-10-22 | 2010-10-18 | Progress: * qemu: final polish on a patchset for saving/restoring VFP and iWMMXT registers across linux-user mode signal handlers; patch series sent to mailing list * qemu: sent a pull request for a small set of ARM fixes (make SMC undef; fix PXHxx; fix saturating add/sub; fix VCVT) * reviewed arm semihosting SYS_GET_CMDLINE patch v2 * I now have enough qemu patches in flight that I'm tracking them at https://wiki.linaro.org/PeterMaydell/QemuPatchStatus (simple manual list for now, hopefully will be sufficient) Meetings: toolchain, pdsw-tools Plans - qemu consolidation Absences: (complete to end of 2010) Thu/Fri 25-26 Nov; Fri 17 Dec - Tue 4 Jan inclusive. (Dallas Linaro sprint 9-15 Jan.)

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__sync barriers

by Richard Sandiford

For the record, the thing I half-remembered on the call was: http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-patches/2009-08/msg00697.html and: http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-patches/2009-09/msg02112.html The problem is that all __sync operations besides __sync_lock_test_and_set and __sync_lock_release are defined to be full barriers. Using something like __sync_val_compare_and_swap for __arch_compare_and_exchange_val_*_acq and __arch_compare_and_exchange_val_*_rel may on some architectures be too heavyweight, since those macros only need acquire/after and release/before barriers. See in particular: http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-patches/2009-08/msg00928.html from the first thread, where the feeling was that the future wasn't these __sync builtins, but the new C and C++ atomic memory support. Probably already known, sorry. I just wasn't sure that trying to convert everyone (not just ARM) to __sync_* was necessarily going to go down well. Richard

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Status Report 11-22-2010

by Zach Welch

== Last Week == * Reached the point with understanding libunwind where I can begin writing patches for parsing unwind information out of .ARM.exidx and .ARM.extab ELF sections. == This Week == * Begin writing support for ARM-specific unwind information to libunwind. -- Zach Welch CodeSourcery zwelch(a)codesourcery.com (650) 331-3385 x743

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[ACTIVITY] November 15-21st

by Julian Brown

== Linaro GCC == * Continued looking at big-endian/quad-vector patch: attempted to figure out the proper semantics for vec_extract in big endian mode (about 1 day). Put on hold temporarily to work on lp675347, QT failing to build due to constraint failure in inline asm statements used for atomic operations: found the patch which introduced the failure, and suggested a workaround to the OP. Came up with a plausible-looking patch, and started testing it, after spending some time trying to figure out why ARM Linux mainline doesn't build at present. Patch sent upstream.

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Of instruction timings

by David Gilbert

Hi Richard, As per the discussion at this mornings call; I've reread the TRM and I agree with you about the LSLS being the same speed as the TST. (1 cycle) However as we agreed, the uxtb does look like 2 cycles v the AND 1 cycle. On the space v perf theme, one thing that would be interesting to know is whether there are any icache/issue stage limitations; i.e. if I have a stream of 32-bit Thumb-2 instructions that are all listed as 1 cycle and are all in i-cache, can they be fetched and issued fast enough, or is there a performance advantage to short instructions? Dave

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[ACTIVITY] 15th - 19th November

by Andrew Stubbs

LP:663939 - Thumb2 constants * Continued testing, found a few bugs. Tidied a few bits up. * Wrote some new testcases to go with the patch. LP:618684 - ICE * Begun looking at this one. So far I can't reproduce it. I have a debuggable native toolchain building, but it'd been delayed by hardware issues. In the course of testing I discovered that the ARM FSF config wasn't testing the right thing, so begun work on a new, more appropriate FSF build/test config for Linaro work. Also found the the SD card rootfs in my IGEPv2 board was corrupted. I've restored it from backup, and now it's working once more.

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[ACTIVITY] Nov.15 -- Nov.21

by Chung-Lin Tang

== Linaro and upstream GCC == * Linaro launchpad issues: - LP #672833, x64-64 varargs regression: after testing pushed bzr branch for merging. - LP #634738, inefficient low bit extraction: some discussion with Yao. - LP #618684, ICE when building ziproxy: looked into and quickly found not reproducible anymore of Linaro 4.5 trunk. * Worked on some GCC bugzilla PRs: - PR44557, ICE in Thumb-1 secondary reload: this should be fixed by a change of the scratch operand constraint of "reload_inhi" from "r" to "l". Interesting to note that this was from the merged-arm-thumb-backend-branch merge, from about 10 years ago. - PR46508: libffi fails to build on VFP asm instructions, seems to need a '.fpu vfp' directive. Probably missed earlier because my toolchain was configured with --with-fpu=vfp. - PR45416: 4.6 code generation regression on ARM, after expand from SSA changes. Looking at this currently. == This week == * Look at Linaro issues with higher priority. * Continue working on GCC PRs.

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[ACTIVITY] (Yao Qi) Nov 15th -- 21st

by Yao Qi

== Linaro GCC == * Merge ldm/stm patch to Linaro 4.5 tree. Found two regressions on the last minute of proposing merge request in pass ce3. Revert one of ldm/stm patches about ifcvt. Complete testcase in branch. * Try Richard E.'s "TST to LSLS transformation" patch on cortex-a9 with FFMPEG. No speed improvements. * Various Linaro GCC Bug fixing. ** LP:634738 Follow the fix to GCC PR40697, and create a new patch, which emits extzv or shift rather than loading constants in some cases. Tested on FSF GCC trunk, and no regression. However, found a regression by eyes in pr44999.c, in which, ubfx (4byte) is generated, rather than uxth (2byte). uxth is produced by combiner from ashift and lshiftrt. During reading arm.c, find that constant handling in thumb2 should be improved to some extent. ** LP:633243 Re-implement regrename improvement, as Eric B. suggested in gcc-patches. Spend some time on understanding API in GCC related to hard-reg. Tested on x86_64-linux. No regression. ** LP:638935 Update my tree to FSF trunk, and find RTL seq for fldm/fstm peephole disappears due to fix to PR45722. Extend arm-ldmstm.ml to support vfp. Peephole and RTL patterns for vfp are done. Will revise arm.c:{load,store}_multiple_sequence to accept vfp data. Fix a bug in ldm/stm peephole when starting offset is negative. == This week == * LP:634738: Figure out how uxth is produced by combiner. * LP:633243: Test it on ARM. * LP:638935: Revise {load,store}_multiple_sequence to accept vfp data. -- Yao (齐尧)

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GCC SVN vs. BZR/LP

by Andrew Stubbs

Re my recent email "Upstream GCC feature freeze", I think we're agreed that we need to create a branch that tracks GCC 4.6 development, but has our own performance improvements included. The question is where to host it? Option 1: Launchpad/bzr Pros: * We need no permission to do it * The branch will naturally evolve into our 4.6 release series in time. * The 3-way merge works well (if slowly) * We can include patches that we have no intention of posting upstream ever * Our patch tracker will Just Work. * Merge requests will be available. Cons: * Bzr ;) * It's hidden away from the view of most GCC developers Option 2: GCC SVN branch Pros: * We can work in the open, submitting patches via gcc-patches, as usual * The final merge to GCC trunk (come stage 1) will be eased, a little Cons: * We can't really apply anything we want just for ourselves * we may end up maintaining an LP branch shadowing the svn branch * When we do want to do 4.6 in LP, we'll have to backport all our patches from 4.7, and this may no longer be straightforward. * Write permissions not clear. * Although I think you can just go ahead and do it? OK, so I'm sure I've missed some big ones. Please discuss! ;) I think the big question here is, when will we start wanting to make (unstable/experimental) Linaro GCC 4.6 releases? If we want to do it early, then we'll have no choice but to have an LP branch to release from. Andrew

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