The Toolchain Working Group meeting notes from 2010-07-26 are now available at:
https://wiki.linaro.org/WorkingGroups/ToolChain/Meetings/2010-07-26
A copy follows.
-- Michael
= Monday 26th July 2010 =
== This month's meetings ==
<<MonthCalendar(WorkingGroups/ToolChain/Meetings,2010,07,,,,WorkingGroups/ToolChain/MeetingTemplate)>>
== Attendees ==
||<rowbgcolor="#333333" rowstyle="color: white; font-weight:
bold;"style="text-align: center;">Name ||<style="text-align:
center;">Email ||<style="text-align: center;">IRC Nick ||
|| Andrew Stubbs || andrew.stubbs(a)linaro.org || ams ||
|| Chung-Lin Tang || cltang(a)codesourcery.com || cltang ||
|| Julian Brown || julian(a)codesourcery.com || jbrown ||
|| Loïc Minier || loic.minier(a)linaro.org || lool ||
|| Marcin Juszkiewicz || marcin.juszkiewicz(a)linaro.org || hrw ||
|| Michael Hope || michael.hope(a)linaro.org || michaelh ||
|| Scott Bambrough || scott.bambrough(a)linaro.org || scottb ||
|| Ulrich Weigand || ulrich.weigand(a)linaro.org || uweigand ||
|| Yao Qi || yao.qi(a)linaro.org || yao ||
== Agenda ==
* Review action items from last meeting
* Feedback on the sprint
* Ideas at [[Internal/MichaelHope/ToolChainMockup]]
* What's next
* Our focus
* Release dates
* Hardware availability and needs
* Benchmark ideas
* Open source ones
* 'Typical' open source projects such as ffmpeg, libtheora
* Closed tests
* Next release
* Blueprint status
* Moving to public phone call
* New starter, Chung-Lin Tang
.
||<rowbgcolor="#333333" rowstyle="color: white; font-weight:
bold;"style="text-align: center;">Blueprint ||<style="text-align:
center;">Assignee ||
|| [[https://blueprints.launchpad.net/gcc-linaro/+spec/initial-4.4|Initial
delivery of Linaro GCC 4.4]] || ams ||
|| [[https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/arm-m-cross-compilers|Cross
Compiler Packages]] || hrw ||
== Action Items from this Meeting ==
* ACTION: Michael to organise and spread next Monday's call in number
* ACTION: Michael to re-check release dates and suggest something
* ACTION: Michael to rename the intermediate milestone
* ACTION: Loic to find the Chrome OS contact name for the records
* ACTION: Ulrich to confirm PowerPC approach with Matthias
== Action Items from Previous Meeting ==
* DONE: Go to the sprint
* DONE: Loic: announcement for linaro-announce, Andrew and MLH to
review before sending
* DONE: Andrew will create release via the Launchpad milestone page
* DONE: Ulrich to summarise the GDB Thumb 2 issues and post so that
Andrew can see if CSL have already done this.
* CSL agrees that it is a problem and isn't working on it
== Minutes ==
* Reviewed the agenda
* Michael Hope is now the toolchain lead
* Calls will be shifted to a public number starting next Monday
* ACTION: Michael to organise and spread number.
* Went over release dates
* Loic suggested the second Tuesday of every month instead as it
gives the rest of working week to handle problems
* Michael would like to keep close to the FeatureFreeze/FinalRelease
dates so that announcements coincide
* ACTION: Michael to re-check dates and suggest something
* The next release, due in a week, will be skipped due to no
significant changes since last release
* ACTION: Michael to rename milestone
* Hardware availability
* CSL
* i.mx51 in their data centre
* Julian, Andrew: have IGEPv2
* Yao, Chung-Lin: will get hardware
* Loic pointed everyone to the internal hardware availability page
* Ulric: is organising hardware
* Loic wants to investigate using qemu as a buildd host
* Michael will write-up and share his hardware. Everything should
move into the data centre later
* Benchmarks
* Loic noted that we want everything in the open and reproducible,
so prefer freely usable benchmarks
* Don't want trivial benchmarks
* Most commercial benchmarks include the source but have
restrictions on sharing the results
* Michael asked for suggestions on benchmarks
* Michael to look at freely usable benchmarks such as lmbench
* Current tickets
* Yao and Michael will look at Firefox
* Ulrich is investigating the next in the list
* Michael would like to send a weekly 'State of the toolchain' update
* Consumed by linaro-dev, Ubuntu toolchain maintainers, and perhaps
others like Ubuntu kernel maintainers
* Loic suggested via Launchpad news
* Discussed communication with Ubuntu
* All notification to go via Ubuntu toolchain maintainers
* U-T-M has responsibility to pass this downstream
* Loic talked with a developer on Chrome OS
* Interested in trying the toolchain
* Currently plain GCC 4.4.1
* Require something very stable
* ACTION: Loic to find a name for the records
* General want for us to try building Chrome OS using the Linaro toolchain
* PowerPC
* Ulrich talked with Matthias at the end of the sprint
* From a Ubuntu perspective, don't want 4.5 to regress in features vs 4.4
* Revert the 4.4 PowerPC changes, keep SH and MIPS. Ubuntu doesn't
support SH or MIPS so no change
* ACTION: Ulrich to confirm with Matthias
Next call is on Wednesday
The armel build that doko kicked off some time ago has completed. I've
gone through and categorised the different failures and created
tickets as appropriate. Latest results are here:
https://wiki.linaro.org/MichaelHope/Sandbox/BuildFailures
-- Michael
Also available at
https://wiki.linaro.org/WorkingGroups/ToolChain/Meetings/2010-07-16
= Friday 16th July 2010 =
== Attendees ==
||<rowbgcolor="#333333" rowstyle="color: white; font-weight:
bold;"style="text-align: center;">Name ||<style="text-align:
center;">Email ||<style="text-align: center;">IRC Nick ||
|| Loïc Minier || loic.minier(a)linaro.org || lool ||
|| Andrew Stubbs || andrew.stubbs(a)linaro.org || ams ||
|| Michael Hope || michael.hope(a)linaro.org || mhope ||
|| Ulrich Weigand || ulrich.weigand(a)linaro.org || uweigand ||
|| Yao Qi || yao.qi(a)linaro.org || yao ||
|| Marcin Juszkiewicz || marcin.juszkiewicz(a)linaro.org || hrw ||
== Agenda ==
* Review action items from last meeting
* Personal work plan for the sprint
* Release status
== Action Items from this Meeting ==
* ACTION: (everyone) note down what you plan to do so that others can find you
* ACTION: Loic: announcement for linaro-announce, Andrew and MLH to
review before sending
* ACTION: Andrew will create release via the Launchpad milestone page
* ACTION: Ulrich to summarise and post so that Andrew can see if CSL
have already done this
== Action Items from Previous Meeting ==
* (None)
== Minutes ==
* What do do during the sprint
* See https://wiki.linaro.org/Events/2010-07-PlatformSprint/ToolChainWG
* Group discussion topics in the morning
* Free to make own arrangements
* ACTION: (everyone) note down what you plan to do so that others can find you
* Release status
* doko confirmed that the tarball was OK
* Andrew: nothing known remaining for the release
* ACTION: Loic: announcement for linaro-announce, Andrew and MLH to
review before sending
* ACTION: Andrew will create release via the Launchpad milestone page
* Andrew
* nothing left to do except make things public
* looking at FTBFS issues
* looking at getting the CSL test suite running with Linaro
* Michael
* Still reading, making a list of questions for next week
* Ulrich
* looking into one of the ICE in reload. Andrew also looking.
Ulrich will take over this bug
* GDB build failures: noticed one significant root problem due to
prologue tracing
* GDB understands ARM and Thumb, but not Thumb 2
* Loic: plan for GDB Thumb 2 porting
* ACTION: Ulrich to summarise and post so that Andrew can see if
CSL have already done this
* Specifically gnu-linaro-tools(a)codesourcery.com +
linaro-toolchain(a)list.linaro.org + Pedro Alves + Dan Jacobowitz
* Loic: Ubuntu has a set of detached debug symbols
(http://ddebs.ubuntu.com/) which will help as reduces need for
prologue parsing
* Yao
* merging internal CSL 4.4 patches into 4.5
* looking into Ubuntu FTBFS, trying to reproduce
* Loic: would like a list of done vs remaining to get idea for progress
* Andrew: would prefer to do it in a weekly status report
* Marcin
* Working on the staging of the GCC build
* now combining into a build from scratch
* has stage 1 for most cases
* Loic
* looking at hard float
* interesting case of performance vs specialisation
* discussion with Andrew re: tracking changes upstream. Will
discuss at sprint
-- Michael
Hi Richard,
Am I right in understanding that fsf's primary objection to
-mimplicit-it is the resulting unpredictability of the size of the
assembler output for asm blocks? Note that the assmbler output size
is _already_ unpredictable: what about the variable size of Thumb-2
instructions already, and what about use of assembler directives such
as:
#define nops(count) asm( \
".rept " #count "\n\t"
"nop\n\t"
".endr" \
)
Presumably this will defeat GCC's literal pool placement on any
architecture which has literal pools. Indeed, we can come with an
inexhaustible supply of such cases: it's an inevitable result of the
separation between GCC and the assembler.
If for Thumb-2 I assume we already have a heuristic that attempts to
count the number of instructions and predicts the maximum size of the
asm block as n*4 bytes (where n is the instruction count), would it be
feasible to estimate a bound of n*6 bytes if using -mimplicit-it? Or,
do we dump the literal before the asm block to be on the safe side
(and if so, why doesn't this work equally well when using
-mimplicit-it?)
Re the suggestion that inline asm should be "fixed" to include
explicit IT instructions, do you know a practical way to do this?
My concern is that with GCC -marm, the inline asm is passed as-is to
be interpreted non-unified syntax (for backwards compatibility
purposes), whereas with -march>=armv6t2 -mthumb, the asm is passed
(again as-is) to be interpreted in unified syntax. But with explicit
IT blocks, it's impossible to be compatible with both syntaxes if my
understanding is correct: Am I right in thinking that current GNU as
in non-unified syntax mode, and indeed legacy versions of the tools
will treat the IT instructions as an error and barf? Can you think of
a way of working round this?
The best I can think of right now is ghastly preprocessor stuff along
the lines of
#ifdef __thumb__ /* or more correctly __thumb2__ ? */
#define __asm_it_generic(mnemonic,cond) #mnemonic " " #cond "\n\t"
#else
#define __asm_it_generic(mnemonic,cond) /* expands to nothing */
#endif
#define __it(cond) __asm_it_generic(it,cond)
#define __ite(cond) __asm_it_generic(ite,cond)
/* ... */
asm(
__it(eq)
"moveq r0, #0\n\t"
__ite(eq)
"bleq func1\n\t"
"blne func2\n\t"
);
An alternative, if we are happy to "fix" source packages in a way
which breaks building them with older tools, is to pass unified
assembler assembler in unified syntax too. But that would require
some work in the code gen backend for arm if I understand correctly.
But it's a huge task to port everything and some upstream projects may
not accept the changes at all. My concern is that without some
transitional approach, there's simply too much existing code for this
to be viable.
Do you know when unified assmbler support was introduced in fsf?
Cheers
---Dave
As some of you know I came to Linaro from OpenEmbedded project. In OE we cross
compiled by default and to make it more easy we had one nice addon to gcc.
When host includes were used gcc errored out with "CROSS COMPILE BADNESS:
/usr/include used" style message. Patch is present in metadata:
http://cgit.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded/tree/recipes/gcc/gcc-4.4…
no-host-includes.patch
Some time ago replacement was announced on OE mailing list:
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.openembedded/34169
In that thread Khem Raj mentioned -Wno-poison-system-directories which is
available in CSL toolchains.
I would like to get that functionality in our cross compiler as this nicely
shows problems in packages. I got hit by that in eglibc when it fails with:
In file included from ../ports/sysdeps/arm/libc-tls.c:20:0:
../csu/libc-tls.c: In function ‘__libc_setup_tls’:
../csu/libc-tls.c:194:1: error: ‘__ARM_NR_set_tls’ undeclared (first use in
this function)
../csu/libc-tls.c:194:1: note: each undeclared identifier is reported only
once for each function it appears in
just because unistd.h used from host instead from target includes.
Regards,
--
JID: hrw(a)jabber.org
Website: http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/
LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/marcinjuszkiewicz
Dnia piątek, 16 lipca 2010 o 11:35:30 Michael Hope napisał(a):
> * Marcin
> * Working on the staging of the GCC build
> * now combining into a build from scratch
> * has stage 1 for most cases
I have all stages working. Eglibc/stage1 needs work on packaging.
Regards,
--
JID: hrw(a)jabber.org
Website: http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/
LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/marcinjuszkiewicz
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Hey
Sorry for the belated post; please find below the minutes from Monday's
Toolchain Working Group meeting and the activity reports from the
preceding week.
You can find the full meeting notes at
https://wiki.linaro.org/WorkingGroups/ToolChain/Meetings/2010-07-12
= Monday 12th July 2010 =
== Agenda ==
* Review action items from last meeting
* New linaro-toolchain mailing-list
* Topics for sprint [[Internal/Events/2010-07-PlatformSprint]]
* Release, version numbers, uploading tarballs
* No meetings next week
* Blueprint status
* Initial delivery of Linaro GCC 4.4
* Cross Compiler Packages
== Action Items from this Meeting ==
* Andrew to propose the triplet change to toolchain upstream
* Andrew to send email to Debian ARM on best triplet
* MLH to pickup perl if pbrook doesn't have a patch by Monday evening UTC
* MLH to write up wants as a toolchain developer/tester
* Marcin to check if xdeb incorrectly produces a package findutils-armel
* Loic to push changes on mysql
== Action Items from Previous Meeting ==
* Loic and Andrew to extend wiki page to track progress of the merging
of Ubuntu patches, assignees etc. DONE
* Loic to setup and run a call on merge workflow with bzr DONE
* Matthias to sort autotools issues with new cell-4.4 Linaro patch or
to ask Ulrich for help :-) DONE
* Marcin to fix -gcc symlink (LP #600927) and update-alternatives
installability issue in his public cross-compiler packages DONE
* Yao to update
https://wiki.linaro.org/WorkingGroups/ToolChain/UbuntuGCCPatches wiki
page for the issue with ADA support and the patches he merged
* Yao to update
https://wiki.linaro.org/WorkingGroups/ToolChain/UbuntuRegressions
wiki page for the removal of the license patch DONE
* Loic to create a linaro-toolchain-drivers team which can upload
tarballs PARTIAL Group created, tarball upload currently not working
== Minutes ==
* The linaro-toolchain list for toolchain related chatter; please
subscribe!
* Loic called for sprint topics. See
https://wiki.linaro.org/Events/2010-07-PlatformSprint/ToolChainWG
* Meetings have been cancelled for the week of the sprint
* Mentioned the upcoming hardfp port that Debian is investigating
* Port is too large for Linaro itself
* Toolchain should support - best place to support, easiest to
maintain due to doko
* Better choice for Debian as they may get support from Linaro; won't
from CSL 2010 Lite edition
* Noted that there's disagreement on the Debian triplet and position
of the hf marker. Problem is what is correct vs which is the path
of least resistance.
* ACTION Andrew to propose the triplet change to toolchain upstream?
* Noted that the ARM EABI is a family of ABIs that different vendors
take variants from
* ACTION Andrew to send email to Debian ARM on best triplet
* Milestone issue review
* ACTION MLH to try perl if no progress is made by pbrook
* getfem++ can't be reproduced
* vect/* won't fix
* mysql fix is ugly
* pr9771-1.c MLH to continue or send patch otherwise
* neon triggered by march=armv7a which should have occurred with
Lucid GCC
* Can lower priority if a missed optimisation
* MLH wants help on how to best use the packaging system to do what
he's used to such as
* Build exactly what the Ubuntu PPA will end up as
* Build a cross-compiler to try ARM failures on a fast machine
* Do an incremental build
* Do a non-bootstrap build
* Run the compiler under a debugger
* Use the test compiler to build a package
* ACTION MLH to write up wants
* Andrew has a process to build the tarball and will run the
certification process afterwards
* Loic recommended CSL developers to have local hardware
* Blueprints status
* Initial 4.4 release reviewed. Done except Ada patch. Andrew to
edit whiteboard to note
* Update broken Ubuntu patches
* Loic suggests reviewing Ubuntu patches month to month
* Cross compiler (Marcin)
* Tidying up ugly GCC hacks
* Stage 1 is now clean
* ACTION Marcin to check if xdeb incorrectly produces a package
called findutils-armel
* ACTION Loic to push changes to mysql
* Michael will run Wednesday standup call
Activity reports from preceding week:
= Ulrich Weigand =
== GCC ==
* Resolved merge conflicts between cell-branch.diff and gcc444-linaro.diff
(investigated and fixed additional autoconf-related build issue)
* Investigated bug #602287; resolved as won't-fix for Linaro 4.4
* Started investigating bug #602289
== GDB ==
* Completed build and regression test of GDB 7.2 branch on beagle board
* Started working on hardware-breakpoint-support blueprint
== Education ==
* Continued getting familiar with Debian package build process
* Continued getting familiar with Launchpad infrastructure
* Read ARMv7 Architecture Reference Manual
== Infrastructure ==
* Got remote access to Loic's beagle board
* Started process to acquire IGEPv2 board
= Yao Qi =
== Linaro GCC ==
* Ubuntu patch ada-acats.diff on linaro gcc 4.4.
ada-acats.diff and its dependent patches cause some regression
failures. Spent a lot of time on trying different patch sets to
linoar gcc 4.4, but failures do go away. Checked the build log of
ubuntu gcc, and the same failures are there. We decide to leave
this ubuntu patch.
* Merged 19 ubuntu patches to linaro gcc 4.4.
Learn bzr push/merge/branch/commit. Very good version control tool,
and well-collaborated with launchpad.
* Revert license patch in linaro gcc 4.4.
* Merge CS GCC 4.4 patches to CS GCC 4.5.
Choose three patches from Julian's ARM patch list. Two of them are
committed into CS GCC 4.5. The third is sent to CS internal review.
== Misc ==
* Some meetings on linaro status.
= Andrew Stubbs =
== GCC 4.4 ==
* Continued refining the blueprints. We now have the initial 4.4
toolchain delivery blueprint finalised.
* Entered bugs for each of the test regressions in the Ubuntu GCC vs.
FSF GCC.
* Reviewed Yao's launchpad merge request for the Ubuntu GCC patches.
It was all good, so I approved the request and did the merge.
* Reviewed the ARM test failures to make sure they were what we
anticipated they would be.
* Reviewed some of the Ubuntu patches marked "Needs review". Decided
not to use two, rewrote the third and submitted the new patch for
review. Matthias has now accepted it, and applied it to Debian also.
* Found out how to create gnu-style release tarballs and wrote a
Linaro GCC release procedure document for the wiki.
https://wiki.linaro.org/WorkingGroups/ToolChain/GCCReleaseProcess
== GCC 4.5 ==
* Assisted Yao with his patch porting work, and made sure he had
things to do.
= Loic Minier =
* Repaired Beagleboard to boot again
* Cross-built ncurses; did other xdeb tests
* Added color codes and improved structure of
https://wiki.linaro.org/WorkingGroups/ToolChain/UbuntuRegressions and
https://wiki.linaro.org/WorkingGroups/ToolChain/UbuntuGCCPatches
* Discussed armhf port, started
http://wiki.debian.org/ArmHardFloatPort
* Started sprint planning and associated wiki pages
Bye,
--
Loïc Minier
Hi All,
I've created a new wiki page to track our upstream merge process.
https://wiki.linaro.org/WorkingGroups/ToolChain/GCC4.4UpstreamPatches
I'll add the new patches (using the script) periodically, for now, but
maybe it could go on a cron job somewhere in future.
The idea is that people write useful thing in this page manually, as and
when state changes. If we don't do something like this, we'll lose track
of what's submitted, and what isn't.
Thanks
Andrew
