On Mon, Jul 20, 2026 at 10:05:33PM +0200, Natalie Vock wrote:

On 7/19/26 19:58, Taehee Yoo wrote:

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Add the AMD GCN (gfx9/gfx10) instruction encoder used to build the GPU shaders that knod dispatches, plus a matching disassembler used for debugging the generated code.

Is it really necessary to have a full-on compiler and disassembler in the kernel driver? This patch is massive and I'm wondering how much benefit it really provides. Is there really no way to move GPU compilation out of the kernel, one way or another? Could you get acceptable perf with a static shader that interprets BPF programs at runtime? Such a shader can be compiled beforehand and just embedded into the kernel - there's prior art there with the CWSR trap handler in amdkfd.

In case you really, really need to compile the BPF to native ISA, could you still have userspace take care of that in one way or another?

There was a long and painful discussion about P4, and offloading it to hardware. The proponents of that wanted to do the compilation stage in user space to produce a binary blob, but it was hard to prove that the P4 passed to the kernel for software processing, and the binary blob passed to the hardware actually where the same. It opened up the path for closed source P4 where the kernel never got to see the actual P4 code. So it was not really offload, but kernel bypass.

So having a compiler in the kernel is probably the correct way to go, if you want to be friendly to open source.

The other option is to get the GPU to do the compilation itself, so you pass BPF byte codes to the GPU and it generates its own native code. I've no idea if that is possible, but clang can target OpenMP, so maybe it is possible to move this compiler into the GPU?

Andrew