Hi Tom,
> >
> > > > Continuing the discussions we had on securing the boot flow and OS as much as
> > > > possible, we came up with the following idea.
> > > >
> > > > We are currently sorting out what's needed to add UEFI Secure Boot in U-Boot.
> > > > This will cover the next payload (shim/grub2/shim depending on board needs).
> > > >
> > > > In order to provide better overall security for the OS we'll need to at least
> > > > verify DTB (if provided externally), initramfs and kernel modules.
> > > >
> > > > 1. For the kernel modules we can use kernel module signing facilities [1]
> > > > 2. In case someone wants to provide an external DTB, we can use FIT images
> > > > to secure that. The FIT images will contain the DTB(s) we need. Those will
> > > > only be used if the authentication process succeeds. This will allow us to
> > > > verify DTBs without introducing any new functionality to U-Boot.
> > > > 3. We need to verify initramfs as well. This can be accomplished in various ways.
> > > > Packing kernel + initramfs or using dm-verity are the two obvious ones but we
> > > > are open to suggestions.
> > >
> > > For #3, making use of FIT images should be investigated seriously that
> > > already allows for what you're asking about.
> > Sure, thanks for the heads up.
> > I had a sentence saying '#3 can deploy similar methods to #2" on my initial
> > e-mail, but removed it right before sending.
> > It makes a lot of sense to me to keep similar functionality, as long as
> > we can keep the stored keys (to verify signatures) in small numbers.
>
> Sure. One thing I want to make sure people understand is that U-Boot
> already supports a verified boot scheme including reaching out to ROM
> where applicable and has for a number of years.
I think we are exaclty on the same page here!
The tl;dr purpose of my e-mail was 'Is implementing UEFI Secure Boot for the
EFI playloads and use *existing* tools for the rest doable?'. I think the answer
is yes. If it is i don't think it makes any sense at all to implement
something new
Thanks
/Ilias
Hi,
Linaro TSC validate the creation of the Dependable Lead Project.
I started to build infrastructure to be able to capture all information we
need to be as successful as possible.
Should you think one of your JIRA cards be updated to reflect its
relationship with the newly cerated DB Jira Lead Project, please do so.
Portal (documentation, meeting notes):
https://collaborate.linaro.org/display/DBS/Dependable+Boot
Kanban board:
https://projects.linaro.org/secure/RapidBoard.jspa?rapidView=257
The portal is far from complete but I preferred to share it as soon as
possible so that we can make it as useful as possible.
Cheers
FF
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Hi Tom,
> > Continuing the discussions we had on securing the boot flow and OS as much as
> > possible, we came up with the following idea.
> >
> > We are currently sorting out what's needed to add UEFI Secure Boot in U-Boot.
> > This will cover the next payload (shim/grub2/shim depending on board needs).
> >
> > In order to provide better overall security for the OS we'll need to at least
> > verify DTB (if provided externally), initramfs and kernel modules.
> >
> > 1. For the kernel modules we can use kernel module signing facilities [1]
> > 2. In case someone wants to provide an external DTB, we can use FIT images
> > to secure that. The FIT images will contain the DTB(s) we need. Those will
> > only be used if the authentication process succeeds. This will allow us to
> > verify DTBs without introducing any new functionality to U-Boot.
> > 3. We need to verify initramfs as well. This can be accomplished in various ways.
> > Packing kernel + initramfs or using dm-verity are the two obvious ones but we
> > are open to suggestions.
>
> For #3, making use of FIT images should be investigated seriously that
> already allows for what you're asking about.
Sure, thanks for the heads up.
I had a sentence saying '#3 can deploy similar methods to #2" on my initial
e-mail, but removed it right before sending.
It makes a lot of sense to me to keep similar functionality, as long as
we can keep the stored keys (to verify signatures) in small numbers.
>
> --
> Tom
Thanks
/Ilias
Introducing a chosen node, rng-seed, which is an entropy that can be
passed to kernel called very early to increase initial device
randomness. Bootloader should provide this entropy and the value is
read from /chosen/rng-seed in DT.
Signed-off-by: Hsin-Yi Wang <hsinyi(a)chromium.org>
---
change log:
v1->v2:
* call function in early_init_dt_scan_chosen
* will add doc to devicetree-org/dt-schema on github if this is accepted
---
Documentation/devicetree/bindings/chosen.txt | 14 ++++++++++++++
drivers/of/fdt.c | 11 +++++++++++
2 files changed, 25 insertions(+)
diff --git a/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/chosen.txt b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/chosen.txt
index 45e79172a646..fef5c82672dc 100644
--- a/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/chosen.txt
+++ b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/chosen.txt
@@ -28,6 +28,20 @@ mode) when EFI_RNG_PROTOCOL is supported, it will be overwritten by
the Linux EFI stub (which will populate the property itself, using
EFI_RNG_PROTOCOL).
+rng-seed
+-----------
+
+This property served as an entropy to add device randomness. It is parsed
+as a byte array, e.g.
+
+/ {
+ chosen {
+ rng-seed = <0x31 0x95 0x1b 0x3c 0xc9 0xfa 0xb3 ...>;
+ };
+};
+
+This random value should be provided by bootloader.
+
stdout-path
-----------
diff --git a/drivers/of/fdt.c b/drivers/of/fdt.c
index de893c9616a1..96ea5eba9dd5 100644
--- a/drivers/of/fdt.c
+++ b/drivers/of/fdt.c
@@ -24,6 +24,7 @@
#include <linux/debugfs.h>
#include <linux/serial_core.h>
#include <linux/sysfs.h>
+#include <linux/random.h>
#include <asm/setup.h> /* for COMMAND_LINE_SIZE */
#include <asm/page.h>
@@ -1079,6 +1080,7 @@ int __init early_init_dt_scan_chosen(unsigned long node, const char *uname,
{
int l;
const char *p;
+ const void *rng_seed;
pr_debug("search \"chosen\", depth: %d, uname: %s\n", depth, uname);
@@ -1113,6 +1115,15 @@ int __init early_init_dt_scan_chosen(unsigned long node, const char *uname,
pr_debug("Command line is: %s\n", (char*)data);
+ rng_seed = of_get_flat_dt_prop(node, "rng-seed", &l);
+ if (!rng_seed || l == 0)
+ return 1;
+
+ /* try to clear seed so it won't be found. */
+ fdt_nop_property(initial_boot_params, node, "rng-seed");
+
+ add_device_randomness(rng_seed, l);
+
/* break now */
return 1;
}
--
2.20.1
On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 10:06 AM Hsin-Yi Wang <hsinyi(a)chromium.org> wrote:
>
> On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 10:04 PM Rob Herring <robh+dt(a)kernel.org> wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, May 7, 2019 at 11:08 PM Hsin-Yi Wang <hsinyi(a)chromium.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 3:47 AM Rob Herring <robh+dt(a)kernel.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > +boot-architecture list as there was some discussion about this IIRC.
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 11:54 PM Hsin-Yi Wang <hsinyi(a)chromium.org> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Introducing a chosen node, rng-seed, which is an 64 bytes entropy
> > > > > that can be passed to kernel called very early to increase device
> > > > > randomness. Bootloader should provide this entropy and the value is
> > > > > read from /chosen/rng-seed in DT.
> > > > >
> > > > > Signed-off-by: Hsin-Yi Wang <hsinyi(a)chromium.org>
> > > > >
> > > > > ---
> > > > > Documentation/devicetree/bindings/chosen.txt | 14 +++++++++
> > > >
> > > > Actually, this file has been converted to json-schema and lives
> > > > here[1]. I need to remove this one (or leave it with a reference to
> > > > the new one).
> > > >
> > > > > arch/arm64/kernel/setup.c | 2 ++
> > > > > drivers/of/fdt.c | 33 ++++++++++++++++++++
> > > > > include/linux/of_fdt.h | 1 +
> > > > > 4 files changed, 50 insertions(+)
> > > > >
> > > > > diff --git a/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/chosen.txt b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/chosen.txt
> > > > > index 45e79172a646..bfd360691650 100644
> > > > > --- a/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/chosen.txt
> > > > > +++ b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/chosen.txt
> > > > > @@ -28,6 +28,20 @@ mode) when EFI_RNG_PROTOCOL is supported, it will be overwritten by
> > > > > the Linux EFI stub (which will populate the property itself, using
> > > > > EFI_RNG_PROTOCOL).
> > > > >
> > > > > +rng-seed
> > > > > +-----------
> > > > > +
> > > > > +This property served as an entropy to add device randomness. It is parsed
> > > > > +as a 64 byte value, e.g.
> > > >
> > > > Why only 64-bytes?
> > > We can also not specify size and read what bootloader can provide.
> > > >
> > > > > +
> > > > > +/ {
> > > > > + chosen {
> > > > > + rng-seed = <0x31951b3c 0xc9fab3a5 0xffdf1660 ...>
> > > > > + };
> > > > > +};
> > > > > +
> > > > > +This random value should be provided by bootloader.
> > > > > +
> > > > > stdout-path
> > > > > -----------
> > > > >
> > > > > diff --git a/arch/arm64/kernel/setup.c b/arch/arm64/kernel/setup.c
> > > > > index 413d566405d1..ade4261516dd 100644
> > > > > --- a/arch/arm64/kernel/setup.c
> > > > > +++ b/arch/arm64/kernel/setup.c
> > > > > @@ -292,6 +292,8 @@ void __init setup_arch(char **cmdline_p)
> > > > > early_fixmap_init();
> > > > > early_ioremap_init();
> > > > >
> > > > > + early_init_dt_rng_seed(__fdt_pointer);
> > > > > +
> > > >
> > > > I'm trying to reduce or eliminate all these early_init_dt_* calls.
> > > >
> > > > Why is this arch specific and why can't this be done after
> > > > unflattening? It doesn't look like add_device_randomness() needs
> > > > anything early.
> > > Currently unflattening is called after setup_machine_fdt(), which
> > > called fixmap_remap_fdt() //__fixmap_remap_fdt(dt_phys, &size,
> > > PAGE_KERNEL_RO), and we can't modify DT after that since it's read
> > > only. But we need to clear (eg. write 0 to it) the rng-seed after
> > > reading from DT.
> >
> > Why do you need to clear it? That wasn't necessary for kaslr-seed.
> I think it's for security purpose. If we know the random seed, it's
> more likely we can predict randomness.
> Currently on arm64, kaslr-seed will be wiped out (in
> arch/arm64/kernel/kaslr.c#get_kaslr_seed(), it's set to 0) so we can't
> read from sysfs (eg. /sys/firmware/devicetree/.../kaslr-seed)
> I'm not sure on other arch if it will be wiped out.
The difference is if I have the kaslr seed, I can calculate the kernel
base address.
In your case, you are feeding an RNG which continually has entropy
added to it. I can't see that knowing one piece of the entropy data is
a security hole. It looks more like you've just copied what what done
for kaslr-seed.
> > Why not change the mapping to RW? It would be nice if this worked on
> > more than one arch.
Still wondering on this question. Mapping it R/W would mean rng-seed
could be handled later and completely out of the arch code and so
could the zeroing of the kaslr-seed. Also, we generally assume the FDT
is modifiable for any fixups. This happens on arm32 and powerpc, but I
guess we haven't needed that yet on arm64.
Rob
Hello Francois, Jan, Christian, and all
Sorry for the late reply, I was waiting for the administrator of the Boot Architecture mailing list to accept my subscription request, but it seems it will take a bit more time. I will send this reply and hope it will not be blocked. I have also added the u-boot mailing list to Cc, as Tom suggested (although I'm not a member), the CIP mailing list, Jan Kiszka (one of the main developers of Efibootguard) and Christian (an expert in software updates).
Background: during the last Linaro connect in Bangkok I was told that Linaro Edge (LEDGE) were working on a secure software update mechanism based on UEFI capsules that would flash firmware updates from a UEFI application, instead of using a Linux agent such as SWUpdate. Then, I had an online meeting with Francois, director of LEDGE. I explained to Francois that in CIP we are using the Linux agent approach right now, and we are also considering the use of a UEFI application (Efibootguard) to arm a watchdog and deal with the state-machine variables (installed, testing, ok, failed..) needed for A/B software updates. Efibootguard sounds like an excellent place to collaborate with Linaro (particularly on the watchdog drivers front) because it does not strictly depend on where the firmware is flashed (UEFI capsule or Linux agent).
> On Fri, Apr 19, 2019 at 12:48:51PM +0200, Francois Ozog wrote:
> > Hi Daniel,
> >
> > We will be conducting a UEFI gap analysis to support EFIBootGuard in U-Boot.
> >
> > As we are working on UEFI SecureBoot implementation in U-Boot, how do
> > you expect the boot process to be secured? Would U-Boot UEFI
> > SecureBoot verify EFIBootGuard signature and in turn EFIBootGuard will
> > check either grub or Linux signature?
> >
> > Please elaborate on your vision of a secured boot process.
Efibootguard is composed of two parts.
- A UEFI application that can arm a watchdog and decide what environment (kernel, boot args, etc.) to use next depending on a set of variables (update status, highest revision, etc.) stored in FAT16 partitions.
- A Linux application that can read and set those variables from Linux (similar to u-boot's fw_setenv). This functionality is also available in the form of a library.
As far as I know, there is no concept of "Secure Booting" in Efibootguard at the moment. Adding signature checks before booting into the selected kernel would be a possible solution.
Thanks,
Daniel
Hi all,
This started as an internal discussion for U-Booa and SSL which quickly span
out of control, so the mailing list is a better suited place for this discussion.
Akashi-san had an interesting idea. Since we will try to implement StandaloneMM
as an OP-TEE TA, why not add payload authentication capabilities on it.
Since it's already doing variable authentication on the secure side, the needed
changes would be minimal (at least that's what i think, please correct me if i
am wrong), since most of the code should already be there.
This means that the payload authentication will be moved to the secure world.
Although doing the authentication in secure world won't offer any security
enhancements, the common code across firmware implementations is probably nice
to have.
The obvious drawback is that you limit the payload authentication capabilities,
since running StMM will become obligatory for image that.
Thanks
/Ilias
Hi Bill and Peter,
[cc'ing boot-architecture to trawl for additional volunteers]
As discussed during EBBR monthly call today, we should have an EBBR
plugfest at ELC and/or ELC-E this year with the goal of working out
compatibility issues between platforms+firmware and OS images (distro
images, OpenEmbedded, Buildroot, Yocto builds, etc).
My initial thought is to run a full day event that is part hacking
sprint and part plugfest. We could ask participants to either bring a
platform (SBC with firmware installed) or an OS images and then set up a
test matrix for each OS to test on each board. After an initial set of
attempts the rest of the day could be a hacking sprint to solve problems
and squash bugs.
I'm only going to be at ELC this year (Aug 21-23rd in San Diego). I
might be able to get the LF to provide a co-located room Tuesday the 20th.
ELC-E will be in late October. If we do this at both events, then
someone will need to take the lead on organizing the European version.
Thoughts?
g.
As discussed at Linaro Connect BKK19 in early April, the
arm.ebbr-discuss mailing list isn't very functional because it doesn't
have a public archive and non-Arm folks cannot subscribe themselves.
I'm shutting down the arm.ebbr-discuss mailing list. From this date all
EBBR discussion will be held on the boot-architecture(a)linaro.org mailing
list.
g.
