I know this has come up before, but I'd like to raise it again: Is there any reason for the lack of consistency between directory layouts for: http://snapshots.linaro.org/oneiric/ vs. http://snapshots.linaro.org/11.05-daily/
Would it be possible to rename the oneiric directory to 11.11-daily and split the hwpacks off into a linaro-hwpacks directory like the 11.04 images? Also, keeping some kind of -oneiric or -11.11 on the image/hwpack dirs probably makes sense, but are we planning on changing anything after these become the default LEB images?
Thanks, Paul Larson
On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 11:29 PM, Paul Larson paul.larson@linaro.org wrote:
I know this has come up before, but I'd like to raise it again: Is there any reason for the lack of consistency between directory layouts for: http://snapshots.linaro.org/oneiric/ vs. http://snapshots.linaro.org/11.05-daily/
Would it be possible to rename the oneiric directory to 11.11-daily and split the hwpacks off into a linaro-hwpacks directory like the 11.04 images? Also, keeping some kind of -oneiric or -11.11 on the image/hwpack dirs probably makes sense, but are we planning on changing anything after these become the default LEB images?
So my take is that the term 11.05 11.11 and so on is legacy as we are on a monthly cadence without big/meta cycles.
Also, it strikes me that we only use snapshots.linaro.org for ubuntu and I don't think we will move to a centralized hosting place for our various daily artifacts anytime soon.
So here is what I propose:
1. move to ubuntu-build.linaro.org namespace for the ubuntu file hosting 2. use directory structure matching the project group names used on offspring.linaro.org; e.g. natty-hwpacks, natty-images, oneiric-hwpacks, oneiric-Images, etc.
Thoughts?
On 7 October 2011 13:23, Alexander Sack asac@linaro.org wrote:
On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 11:29 PM, Paul Larson paul.larson@linaro.org wrote:
I know this has come up before, but I'd like to raise it again: Is there any reason for the lack of consistency between directory layouts for: http://snapshots.linaro.org/oneiric/ vs. http://snapshots.linaro.org/11.05-daily/ Would it be possible to rename the oneiric directory to 11.11-daily and split the hwpacks off into a linaro-hwpacks directory like the 11.04 images? Also, keeping some kind of -oneiric or -11.11 on the image/hwpack dirs probably makes sense, but are we planning on changing anything after these become the default LEB images?
So my take is that the term 11.05 11.11 and so on is legacy as we are on a monthly cadence without big/meta cycles.
Also, it strikes me that we only use snapshots.linaro.org for ubuntu and I don't think we will move to a centralized hosting place for our various daily artifacts anytime soon.
So here is what I propose:
1. move to ubuntu-build.linaro.org namespace for the ubuntu file hosting 2. use directory structure matching the project group names used on offspring.linaro.org; e.g. natty-hwpacks, natty-images, oneiric-hwpacks, oneiric-Images, etc.
No objections.
To illustrate: ubuntu-build.linaro.org `-- build |-- natty-hwpacks |-- natty-images |-- oneiric-hwpacks `-- oneiric-images
Cheers,
Fathi
On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 12:45 PM, Fathi Boudra fathi.boudra@linaro.orgwrote:
On 7 October 2011 13:23, Alexander Sack asac@linaro.org wrote:
On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 11:29 PM, Paul Larson paul.larson@linaro.org
wrote:
I know this has come up before, but I'd like to raise it again: Is there any reason for the lack of consistency between directory layouts for: http://snapshots.linaro.org/oneiric/ vs. http://snapshots.linaro.org/11.05-daily/ Would it be possible to rename the oneiric directory to 11.11-daily and split the hwpacks off into a linaro-hwpacks directory like the 11.04
images?
Also, keeping some kind of -oneiric or -11.11 on the image/hwpack dirs probably makes sense, but are we planning on changing anything after
these
become the default LEB images?
So my take is that the term 11.05 11.11 and so on is legacy as we are on
a
monthly cadence without big/meta cycles.
Also, it strikes me that we only use snapshots.linaro.org for ubuntu and
I
don't think we will move to a centralized hosting place for our various daily artifacts anytime soon.
So here is what I propose:
- move to ubuntu-build.linaro.org namespace for the ubuntu file
hosting
- use directory structure matching the project group names used on
offspring.linaro.org; e.g. natty-hwpacks, natty-images, oneiric-hwpacks, oneiric-Images, etc.
No objections.
To illustrate: ubuntu-build.linaro.org `-- build |-- natty-hwpacks |-- natty-images |-- oneiric-hwpacks `-- oneiric-images
on the same front I see we still redirect ubuntu-build to offspring ... can we flip that around? e.g. make offspring.l.o redirect to ubuntu-build?
On Fri, 7 Oct 2011 13:27:38 +0200, Alexander Sack asac@linaro.org wrote:
on the same front I see we still redirect ubuntu-build to offspring ... can we flip that around? e.g. make offspring.l.o redirect to ubuntu-build?
Yes, just file an RT to request the change.
Thanks,
James
On 7 October 2011 11:23, Alexander Sack asac@linaro.org wrote:
Also, it strikes me that we only use snapshots.linaro.org for ubuntu
Eh? snapshots has more than just the ubuntu desktop images -- it has nano, alip, hwpacks and all the rest. I think calling it "ubuntu-build" would be rather confusing...
1. move to ubuntu-build.linaro.org namespace for the ubuntu file hosting 2. use directory structure matching the project group names used on offspring.linaro.org; e.g. natty-hwpacks, natty-images, oneiric-hwpacks, oneiric-Images, etc.
I don't mind which one we change, but can we have the directory structure for releases.linaro.org and snapshots.linaro.org be basically the same thing?
-- PMM
On 7 October 2011 15:06, Peter Maydell peter.maydell@linaro.org wrote:
On 7 October 2011 11:23, Alexander Sack asac@linaro.org wrote:
Also, it strikes me that we only use snapshots.linaro.org for ubuntu
Eh? snapshots has more than just the ubuntu desktop images -- it has nano, alip, hwpacks and all the rest. I think calling it "ubuntu-build" would be rather confusing...
These images are all Ubuntu based images.
1. move to ubuntu-build.linaro.org namespace for the ubuntu file hosting 2. use directory structure matching the project group names used on offspring.linaro.org; e.g. natty-hwpacks, natty-images, oneiric-hwpacks, oneiric-Images, etc.
I don't mind which one we change, but can we have the directory structure for releases.linaro.org and snapshots.linaro.org be basically the same thing?
On 7 October 2011 13:16, Fathi Boudra fathi.boudra@linaro.org wrote:
On 7 October 2011 15:06, Peter Maydell peter.maydell@linaro.org wrote:
On 7 October 2011 11:23, Alexander Sack asac@linaro.org wrote:
Also, it strikes me that we only use snapshots.linaro.org for ubuntu
Eh? snapshots has more than just the ubuntu desktop images -- it has nano, alip, hwpacks and all the rest. I think calling it "ubuntu-build" would be rather confusing...
These images are all Ubuntu based images.
Yes, technically they're all based on Ubuntu, but I don't think that most people who use the nano image (say) think of it as primarily an "ubuntu image". Maybe I'm wrong...
It seems more sensible to me to stick with the generic 'snapshots' name anyway.
-- PMM
On Fri, Oct 07, 2011 at 01:37:29PM +0100, Peter Maydell wrote:
On 7 October 2011 13:16, Fathi Boudra fathi.boudra@linaro.org wrote:
On 7 October 2011 15:06, Peter Maydell peter.maydell@linaro.org wrote:
On 7 October 2011 11:23, Alexander Sack asac@linaro.org wrote:
Also, it strikes me that we only use snapshots.linaro.org for ubuntu
Eh? snapshots has more than just the ubuntu desktop images -- it has nano, alip, hwpacks and all the rest. I think calling it "ubuntu-build" would be rather confusing...
These images are all Ubuntu based images.
Yes, technically they're all based on Ubuntu, but I don't think that most people who use the nano image (say) think of it as primarily an "ubuntu image". Maybe I'm wrong...
I think Peter is probably right, but somehow we need to resolve the issue that snapshots /only/ contains Ubuntu-based stuff at the moment (or, put differently, nothing Android-related).
More fundamentally, is there really a reason why we shouldn't have /all/ images downloadable from snapshots.linaro.org? I find it a bit unobvious that you'd go to android-build to download Android images. Is it only me?
(PS: I really dislike URLs with hyphens in them! Remember bazaar-vcs.org? Yuck)
On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 9:41 AM, Christian Robottom Reis kiko@linaro.org wrote:
On Fri, Oct 07, 2011 at 01:37:29PM +0100, Peter Maydell wrote:
On 7 October 2011 13:16, Fathi Boudra fathi.boudra@linaro.org wrote:
On 7 October 2011 15:06, Peter Maydell peter.maydell@linaro.org wrote:
On 7 October 2011 11:23, Alexander Sack asac@linaro.org wrote:
Also, it strikes me that we only use snapshots.linaro.org for ubuntu
Eh? snapshots has more than just the ubuntu desktop images -- it has nano, alip, hwpacks and all the rest. I think calling it "ubuntu-build" would be rather confusing...
These images are all Ubuntu based images.
Yes, technically they're all based on Ubuntu, but I don't think that most people who use the nano image (say) think of it as primarily an "ubuntu image". Maybe I'm wrong...
I think Peter is probably right, but somehow we need to resolve the issue that snapshots /only/ contains Ubuntu-based stuff at the moment (or, put differently, nothing Android-related).
Is this policy or just implementation?
I could see at some point in the very near future especially with the absurdly small images that things might be less than "ubuntu" based... take a system which is nothing more than busybox as a for instance.
More fundamentally, is there really a reason why we shouldn't have /all/ images downloadable from snapshots.linaro.org? I find it a bit unobvious that you'd go to android-build to download Android images. Is it only me?
I agree. Central one stop shopping!
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On Fri, Oct 07, 2011 at 10:46:57AM -0500, Tom Gall wrote:
Eh? snapshots has more than just the ubuntu desktop images -- it has nano, alip, hwpacks and all the rest. I think calling it "ubuntu-build" would be rather confusing...
These images are all Ubuntu based images.
Yes, technically they're all based on Ubuntu, but I don't think that most people who use the nano image (say) think of it as primarily an "ubuntu image". Maybe I'm wrong...
I think Peter is probably right, but somehow we need to resolve the issue that snapshots /only/ contains Ubuntu-based stuff at the moment (or, put differently, nothing Android-related).
Is this policy or just implementation?
I could see at some point in the very near future especially with the absurdly small images that things might be less than "ubuntu" based... take a system which is nothing more than busybox as a for instance.
I certainly haven't specified such a policy, and I dislike anything we do that makes Android look like a weird Linux stepchild ;-) But ultimately this is Alexander's call, I think.
On Fri, 7 Oct 2011 12:23:12 +0200, Alexander Sack asac@linaro.org wrote:
- use directory structure matching the project group names used on
offspring.linaro.org; e.g. natty-hwpacks, natty-images, oneiric-hwpacks, oneiric-Images, etc.
This would be a useful step in removing the need to request syncs from IS, but would require an offspring code change if desired.
Thanks,
James
On Thu, 6 Oct 2011 16:29:47 -0500, Paul Larson paul.larson@linaro.org wrote:
I know this has come up before, but I'd like to raise it again: Is there any reason for the lack of consistency between directory layouts for: http://snapshots.linaro.org/oneiric/ vs. http://snapshots.linaro.org/11.05-daily/
Would it be possible to rename the oneiric directory to 11.11-daily and split the hwpacks off into a linaro-hwpacks directory like the 11.04 images? Also, keeping some kind of -oneiric or -11.11 on the image/hwpack dirs probably makes sense, but are we planning on changing anything after these become the default LEB images?
The plan was to have oneiric as the place where they are stored, and then have a symlink "stable" pointing to then when that's what we are working on as stable.
This was because 11.05/11.11 etc. are obsolete now, and we want to run two Ubuntu series in parallel for a while, and that will keep happening.
That transition is clearly only partly complete, but getting the symlink should be easy.
As for the rest of the comments (hwpacks directrory, suffix) can easily be changed via an RT if we want.
Thanks,
James
On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 9:29 AM, James Westby james.westby@canonical.com wrote:
On Thu, 6 Oct 2011 16:29:47 -0500, Paul Larson paul.larson@linaro.org wrote:
I know this has come up before, but I'd like to raise it again: Is there any reason for the lack of consistency between directory layouts for: http://snapshots.linaro.org/oneiric/ vs. http://snapshots.linaro.org/11.05-daily/
Would it be possible to rename the oneiric directory to 11.11-daily and split the hwpacks off into a linaro-hwpacks directory like the 11.04 images? Also, keeping some kind of -oneiric or -11.11 on the image/hwpack dirs probably makes sense, but are we planning on changing anything after these become the default LEB images?
The plan was to have oneiric as the place where they are stored, and then have a symlink "stable" pointing to then when that's what we are working on as stable.
This was because 11.05/11.11 etc. are obsolete now, and we want to run two Ubuntu series in parallel for a while, and that will keep happening.
That transition is clearly only partly complete, but getting the symlink should be easy.
Thanks for the update James. Say related we have the following hwpack directory names:
efikamx-oneiric igep-oneiric imx51-oneiric omap3-oneiric omap3-x11-base-oneiric overo-oneiric panda-oneiric panda-x11-base-oneiric vexpress-oneiric
If the top level directory is named oneiric (which I think is a good one), seems like changing these directory names to remove -oneiric from the end of the name would be in order.
As for the rest of the comments (hwpacks directrory, suffix) can easily be changed via an RT if we want.
Thanks,
James
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On Fri, 7 Oct 2011 10:37:15 -0500, Tom Gall tom.gall@linaro.org wrote:
Thanks for the update James. Say related we have the following hwpack directory names:
efikamx-oneiricigep-oneiric imx51-oneiric omap3-oneiric omap3-x11-base-oneiric overo-oneiric panda-oneiric panda-x11-base-oneiric vexpress-oneiric
If the top level directory is named oneiric (which I think is a good one), seems like changing these directory names to remove -oneiric from the end of the name would be in order.
That can be changed via an RT requesting such.
Note that Paul requests keeping the suffixes, but I guess that's predicated on renaming the top level.
Thanks,
James
On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 11:35 AM, James Westby james.westby@canonical.comwrote:
Note that Paul requests keeping the suffixes, but I guess that's predicated on renaming the top level.
The main reason I like having a suffix of some kind is so that it's obvious which series it's from by the filename. If someone includes that filename (without path) in a bug, or just has it lying around their system, it's good to be able to determine that kind of information having just the name of the file.
Another thing that this brings up is landing team hwpacks. Am I correct in assuming that those kind of exist outside of any series? Would it, perhaps, make more sense to separate hwpacks and images out at the top directory, and break it down by series under that?
Thanks, Paul Larson
On Fri, 7 Oct 2011 13:09:23 -0500, Paul Larson paul.larson@linaro.org wrote:
On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 11:35 AM, James Westby james.westby@canonical.comwrote:
Note that Paul requests keeping the suffixes, but I guess that's predicated on renaming the top level.
The main reason I like having a suffix of some kind is so that it's obvious which series it's from by the filename. If someone includes that filename (without path) in a bug, or just has it lying around their system, it's good to be able to determine that kind of information having just the name of the file.
Ah, changing the directory names on snapshots.linaro.org doesn't change the filenames of the images/hwpacks, so that's ok.
Having said that though, if they are different then it means that we have to keep the requests to IS for new syncs to snapshots.linaro.org.
Another thing that this brings up is landing team hwpacks. Am I correct in assuming that those kind of exist outside of any series? Would it, perhaps, make more sense to separate hwpacks and images out at the top directory, and break it down by series under that?
They do exist at a series, but the series isn't really important (the same is true to some extent for non-LT hwpacks too.)
Thanks,
James
On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:17 PM, James Westby james.westby@canonical.com wrote:
On Fri, 7 Oct 2011 13:09:23 -0500, Paul Larson paul.larson@linaro.org wrote:
On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 11:35 AM, James Westby james.westby@canonical.comwrote:
Note that Paul requests keeping the suffixes, but I guess that's predicated on renaming the top level.
The main reason I like having a suffix of some kind is so that it's obvious which series it's from by the filename. If someone includes that filename (without path) in a bug, or just has it lying around their system, it's good to be able to determine that kind of information having just the name of the file.
Ah, changing the directory names on snapshots.linaro.org doesn't change the filenames of the images/hwpacks, so that's ok.
Having said that though, if they are different then it means that we have to keep the requests to IS for new syncs to snapshots.linaro.org.
Another thing that this brings up is landing team hwpacks. Am I correct in assuming that those kind of exist outside of any series? Would it, perhaps, make more sense to separate hwpacks and images out at the top directory, and break it down by series under that?
They do exist at a series, but the series isn't really important (the same is true to some extent for non-LT hwpacks too.)
The series is important as it can also contain normal packages, like drivers and any other that would help enabling the platform.
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